The Hustle And Flowchart Podcast

Every week we have conversations with the most successful people in our network. We learn their stories and the lessons learned before diving in and getting the real "meat." Every single show has actionable takeaways that listeners can implement in their own life or business. We focus on topics around traffic, brand awareness, wealth growth, podcasting, marketing automation, mindset, lifestyle, and business systematization but have been known to go pretty "off script" from time to time to discuss a wide variety of topics to help people improve their lives. We describe our show as "A Life Improvement Podcasting Masquerading As A Business Podcast."
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May 30, 2019

From an early age, Jason has been a born leader. At the age of 23, he declared to his fellow employees that he would be their boss within 5 years. After accomplishing that, he realized he was not meant to be an employee and went on to learn traffic secrets from John Reese, which enabled him to quit his job and create a business that did $3.5 million the following year.

Jason has a knack for teaching others, and it was a natural transition to the creation of where he and his business partner, Matt Clark have taught over 30,000 students how to build a successful Amazon business.

Jason discusses the difference between running your business vs. leading your business, how to effectively get to a point where you can start to outsource simpler jobs to focus on more important tasks, and how to scale up. Jason has been a successful Amazon seller for years and has great insight on how to sell on Amazon today as things are always changing on the ecommerce platform.

You have to be able to run and lead your business - don’t rely on other people, they don’t have your vision.” - Jason Katzenback

Some Topics We Discussed Include:

  • How Jason met his co-founder which led to the creation of
  • Why it’s important to have complete belief in your own product.
  • How to scale your team up effectively and how to know which people to hire next.
  • The formula he learned from Todd Herman on how to segment your time efficiently.
  • Tips and insights as to what it take to be a successful seller on Amazon right now.
  • How he was able to grab the incredible domain name
  • The important difference between leading your business vs. running your business.
  • How to document your tasks to make it easier to outsource.
  • How to set up an employee properly to ensure success for both of you.
  • Key qualities of being a good leader.

You can find Jason at:

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May 28, 2019

Although he could have been a doctor, Ajay Goel decided to take the road into entrepreneurship and dropped out of school to open a web development company which went on to generate $5 million in revenue. He has produced a variety of programs that help users with email marketing and creation.


Ajay has a strong background software development and is utilizing the Chrome Store, which has far less competition, to market his product. He also has a proactive approach to customer service issues, which allows him to focus less on providing detailed customer support and more on the technical development on the backend.


Ajay’s shares some of his extensive knowledge of Gmail and email marketing in general with tips on what to expect with a follow-up sequence, do’s and don’ts for subject headlines and the best times to send out emails.  In addition, he discusses why you want to consider using a product that works with Gmail's own servers for better deliverability rates.

“Users are more loyal when they have a little problem that you solve than users who never have a problem” - Ajay Goel


Some Topics We Discussed Include:


  • Sending limits when using Gmail
  • Use of Reddit for marketing your product
  • Pros and cons of selling on the Chrome store
  • An easy to use email platform that works directly with GMail
  • How to produce a SaaS with limited customer service involvement
  • Sites to market your SaaS product
  • Best practices when using Gmail for marketing
  • A great resource for photo editing

Contact Ajay here:


On Twitter (where his handle is “PartTimeSnob” - i.e. he doesn’t like going to concerts unless he is in the front row)

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May 23, 2019

After working for a Seattle grocery store chain for several years where he would see an interesting cast of characters including famous movie actors and celebrities, Ron Lynch parlayed his knowledge from producing cooking demonstrations in the market to producing a host of extremely successful infomercials.

He also has a long career working in the movie industry and has not only appeared in film but has had a hand in screenwriting scripts for a variety of movie projects.  In addition to these accolades, Ron is a published author.

Ron has an eclectic way of creating ideas and from him, you can learn a variety of promotional strategies and the importance of crowdsourcing content as well as using vertical creatives.

Ron is constantly creating, coming up with new ideas, often getting inspired from places that are not so common such as watching stand up comedians and illusionists. He discusses the importance of giving your product away and really thinking about the consumer’s view when building a brand.

“Always make the story about the viewer and make it interesting about them. If you can create curiosity up front, you have a much higher probability of engagement”- Ron Lynch 

Some Topics We Discussed Include:

  • How working with the general public can lead to amazing opportunities.
  • How to combine two sets of skills to create a marketing strategy.
  • How to channel market vertically
  • How to crowdsource video content to market a product in the beginning
  • The 3 step video creation formula
  • How product stories are similar to a movie trailer or telling a good joke
  • A 3 question technique to pre-qualify consumers
  • Important starting points to consider when introducing your product
  • The difference between brand marketing and direct response marketing
  • Why giving away your product is better than offering a discount

Contact Ron Lynch:

  • Visit’s Ron’s Facebook page for Big Baby Agency. If you send a message to the page, the bot will sent you a free 15 page creative brief, plus you’ll be pre-registered to get his book for free when it comes out.

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May 21, 2019

After an 11 year stint as a professional rodeo rider in Texas, Rob, a.k.a. “Robo” Hendrickson, followed his creative talents into the world of advertising. Over the years, he used his know how to partner up with other like minded people, in a variety of companies. Robo is amazing at bringing products to market, agencies, advertising and making some badass products.

Robo has a strong background in knowing how to patent things, what the different types of patents mean and how much it costs to fight if someone is infringing on your patent. From him, you can learn from start to finish, how to bring a product idea to life by either raising money yourself, or through crowdfunding, as well as everything in between, including a lot of important steps that most people skip.

Robo is a super cool, fun guy who’s been around for a long time in this space.  Not only has he built a great lifestyle, but he also gives back in a big way through his work. Get insight into how he had a defining moment at one point, and what he did to make a major turning point in his life and his career to design his ideal life and business.

Good products are nice, but tacos can really make a difference.” - Robo Hendrickson

Some Topics We Discussed Include:

  • How to prototype and patent your idea
  • Different ways to fund your idea
  • How to create a manifesto to procure your ideal lifestyle
  • Important qualities to look for in when creating partnerships
  • How to research if your product idea is already being produced by someone else
  • The different types of patents
  • What to look for when finding people to design your product
  • Important things to research to determine the potential success of an idea
  • Why sometimes there can be success with a product even if has been mass marketed already
  • How to give back and make a difference

Contact Robo Hendrickson:

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May 16, 2019

Rob Burns helps businesses create amazing videos that sell their products. After selling his press release syndication company, Rob dove headfirst into the world of creating videos. His unique approach has helped launch tons of physical product brands and helped many companies go viral with their videos.

In this episode, we chat with Rob about everything video. The style of video that he helps his clients create, work in almost any niche and any type of business. They aren't just for physical product brands. They work for any business that has something to sell, replacing the VSLs that so many people are used to seeing.

Join us on this fun-filled episode while we have a blast chatting with Rob and dissecting the secrets behind why the videos he creates are so damn effective.

Some Topics We Discussed Include:

  • The best $5 Rob ever spent on Fiverr
  • The heartbreaking reason Rob closed up his first business
  • How Rob sold hot sauce through the mail
  • How ads in back of magazines shaped his internet business
  • The industry that Rob attempted to disrupt
  • How he went from doing press releases to creating videos
  • How to get paid for things you'd get kicked out of school for
  • The type of video he makes now instead of VSLs
  • Why promoting big brands is different than small brands
  • Why you shouldn't need to convince people to buy stuff
  • Attention spans in the 80s vs. today
  • Why smartphones have changed video marketing
  • The biggest mistake most people make with their videos
  • The 3-Step formula for crafting the perfect sales video
  • Social media video structure vs. sales video structure
  • Who and how to infuse humor into every video
  • The off-the-wall product ideas that Rob has lined up
  • The hero style video and what goes into them
  • Plus much more!

Contact Rob Burns:

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May 14, 2019

Ken Coleman is host of The Ken Coleman Show and the top-rated EntreLeadership Podcast, and author of One Question: Life-Changing Answers from Today’s Leading Voices. An acclaimed interviewer and broadcaster, Coleman equips, encourages and entertains listeners through thought-provoking interviews, helping them grow their businesses, pursue their passions, and move toward a fulfilled purpose. You can follow him on Twitter at @KenColeman, on Instagram at @KenColemanShow, and online at or

May 9, 2019

Back in 1995, Stephan Spencer decided to drop out of college and start his own website agency. Four years later he had the “crazy” idea he could live anywhere he wanted, so he moved to the beaches of New Zealand. There he built his first SEO company when Google was just becoming a household name.

Stephan is a top SEO consultant and best selling author who is known as a cutting edge strategist for some of the world’s most recognized brands. He keeps seeing businesses make the same mistakes and he’s here to share his expertise so entrepreneurs can stop wasting dollars and start getting profitable results.

Whether you have an established website or about to launch a new one, listen in as Stephan shows Matt and Joe how to build for SEO and keep it optimized, the criteria Google currently uses for rankings, and which SEO tools everyone should be using. This episode is stuffed with SEO expertise, but if you’re craving more go check out our conversations with Brian Dean and Christopher Gimmer.

“Don't try and outsmart or trick Google. You're not going to win at that game. Everything you do has to be underpinned by value creation.” -Stephan Spencer

Some Topics We Discussed Include:

  • A simple tactic to set a domino effect in motion
  • Why you must always aim for the big fish
  • How to quickly double-hit every win
  • The right way to go off brand and increase traffic
  • What you can do to “outsmart” A.I. (your brain isn’t enough!)
  • How Google keeps its rap sheets on businesses
  • Why your high-quality content is landing dead in the water
  • EAT and YMYL - they’re more important than ever
  • The ins and outs of YouTube’s unique SEO structure
  • A method to gain traffic as soon as you buy a new domain
  • How to make sure your website stays optimized
  • One fix that can lift a site all the way to page #1
  • The SEO tools everyone should be using

Contact Stephan Spencer:

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May 7, 2019

After ten years of working in personal finance, Gina Horkey wanted a change. She loved writing short stories and thought why not give copywriting a try. Just six months later she was making $100 an hour and getting ready to quit her job, sell her practice, and start working from anywhere.

Gina is the founder of Horkey HandBook, a website geared towards helping others find or become a kickass virtual assistant. Her background includes making a living as a professional writer, an online business marketing consultant, and a decade of experience in the financial services industry. She’s also proud to be a married, millennial mama to two precocious kiddos from Minnesota.

Sitting in traffic twice a day should be a thing of the past. Listen in as Gina talks with the guys about how to hire or become a badass virtual assistant, the 3 skills that every great VA should have, and her method to instantly increase ROI by contracting a new team member. Get even more insight about becoming or hiring virtual team members in our conversations with Moe Abbas and Josh Bartlett.

“You get paid to learn, it's basically what it comes down to... you get to be the person behind the curtain looking around and it's amazing!” -Gina Horkey

Some Topics We Discussed Include:

  • How to find or become a badass virtual assistant
  • Why working online is more legit now going to an office
  • What salaries different VAs are making
  • The right way to pitch yourself to businesses
  • A method to safeguard from Scope Creep
  • 3 skills that make for the best virtual assistants
  • The right time to start contracting team members
  • Rules to follow before making a new hire
  • The tasks every business owner needs to hire for
  • Why emotional tasks are the biggest drag on profit
  • A system to instantly increase ROI by hiring a VA
  • An onboarding process to maximize your new VA

Contact Gina Horkey:

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May 2, 2019

As a full-time police officer and part-time serial entrepreneur, Doberman Dan spent almost a decade trying to start a successful business. Then he started a direct mail fitness newsletter and finally started making money. Just a year later he quit the police force.

Dan likes to call himself a “kitchen table” entrepreneur, having written hundreds of successful sales letters, direct mail packages, feature articles, and newsletters while kicking back in his home. He’s seen too many businesses make common mistakes rather than change their approach to marketing. And he wants to save them so they can start making maximum money in minimum time.

Not every part of your business should be online. Listen in as Dan shows Matt and Joe how he uses his newsletter to leverage every part of his business, his system to easily keep your letters high-quality, and tactics to quickly grow subscriptions. After the episode, go check out our conversations with Adil Amarsi and Craig Simpson for more copywriting insights.

“You know, sometimes you produce your best stuff when you're under the gun and you don't have the option to goof off.“ -Doberman Dan

Some Topics We Discussed Include:

  • The psychological benefits of a public alter-ego
  • A system to keep your newsletter consistently awesome
  • Rules for finding the right page count for your letter
  • Why over delivering can kill your subscriptions
  • How to tell when you’re writing at your best
  • The content your most knowledgeable customers want to read
  • A system to keep your ideas in order
  • How to target an audience using your superpower
  • Newsletter tactics to increase your stick rate
  • The simplest, low-cost system to mail a printed newsletter
  • What to do with an email list that isn’t converting
  • A targeted way to use a newsletter to quickly grow a business
  • Why direct mail is an effective way to start a business (now more than ever!)

Contact Doberman Dan:

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